@BeattheMarketMaker, first of thank you for your input, I only fucos more on my Sl as I am back testing my charting. I do try to win a 1:2 ratio. my tp was only drag down to the lowest I think it will ever go for swing trades. I trade zone to zone. so my mark up are normally 4h so I really don't hold on to trades for long at all. I normally tp at the end of the session if I'm in profit. so I hope that explain why my sl is only 20 pips but my tp is so much larger. And I appreciate ur imputes about my mentors, no traders are alike so what I do doesn't justify who my mentors are. I learn and use the knowledge to me own interpretation and develop my own way of trading. So do you have children? just because you raised your children doesn't mean their personality and characteristics are just like yours is it? anyway, thank you.