Challenges of Fading and OverextensionIntroduction
Fading is a strategy where a position is taken against the prevailing move, based on the expectation that it is overextended and likely to reverse. While mean reversion is a valid market phenomenon, some methods are built on incomplete beliefs about how markets operate.
From Normal to Deviation
Markets can be evaluated relative to their recent or average behavior. Price movement within these bounds is considered normal, while a notable move beyond them is referred to as a deviation. This is interpreted as an overextension, where indicators tend to show overbought or oversold values.
However, overextension does not necessarily imply that exhaustion is present. It simply marks a departure from normal behavior. Whether this leads to reversal or continued movement depends on broader market context.
Markets also tend to exhibit volatility clustering; periods of high volatility are followed by further volatility, and calm periods tend to persist. In other words, a strong move often leads to another. This challenges a common bias that an extended move must suspend or reverse.
The Limitations of Indicators
Indicators can show when price has moved outside a reference point. For example, oscillators, boundaries, or momentum values may signal overbought or oversold conditions. However, these readings are not signals on their own. The broader context matters more and determines whether the move is likely to reverse or continue.
In this chart, price moves outside the upper envelope on two separate occasions, each showing a deviation from recent average behavior. In the first case, the move results in a successful reversion. In the second, price remains extended above the band for several weeks, maintaining persistent momentum. Both instances show similar values, but the outcomes were different. This illustrates that tools should not be interpreted in isolation.
In this chart, RSI reaches overbought levels on two separate occasions. In the first case, the overextension is followed with a mean reversion. In the second, the same condition marks the beginning of a strong upward momentum move. Both events show similar indicator values, but the results were different. This reinforces that identical values can lead to different outcomes depending on the context and underlying structure.
Low Volatile Trends
Low volatility trends present recurring challenges and are worth consideration. These environments are characterized by price moving along structural boundaries with minimal retracement or mean reversion. The absence of counter-movement makes them difficult to fade, as directional drift may persist longer than expected. Attempts to fade these trends or build positions over time can introduce notable risk and limited potential, as reversion remains uncertain. A better approach is to wait for a sharp reversal or the formation of a new structure before considering any setup.
The Risk in Fading Systems
Fading can produce high win rates in range-bound or indecisive markets. Positions tend to be averaged down as price extends further, based on the expectation of a return to the mean. This approach can be effective over a series of trades, but its success depends on eventual reversion.
The risk emerges in less frequent but severe scenarios where momentum persists and price continues to expand beyond expectations. These low-probability but high-impact outcomes tend to be overlooked, but when they occur the consequences can be severe without proper risk control.
This simulation models a high win-rate fading strategy using an initial account size of $100,000. Each trade targets a gain of 0.5% of the account, or $500 based on the starting balance, and the win rate is set at 91.20%. These values are intended to simulate frequent small wins with the assumption that losses will be infrequent.
Losses in this case are set to 5% of the account size, or $5,000, to represent situations where a trader continues to average into a losing position until a maximum loss threshold is reached. In real conditions, some traders may exceed this amount, either deliberately through increased exposure or due to loss of control.
Across 50 simulation runs of 1,000 trades each, the average final balance was $118,109. The best case ended at $240,858, while the worst case dropped to $47,090. The average maximum drawdown was over 43%, and the worst drawdown reached nearly 70%. Half of all simulations finished below the starting balance. These results illustrate that while most trades may perform as expected, rare but oversized losses can and do occur. Despite a strong win rate, the long-term outcome becomes increasingly dependent on avoiding a handful of catastrophic trades.
Strategies like this often appear stable because of their high success rate, which can create a false sense of security. This perceived consistency can lead to increased confidence, relaxed risk limits, or more aggressive sizing. However, the simulation makes clear that even a few failed trades are enough to reverse months of profits or endanger the entire account. Without strict risk control and structural awareness, the strategy becomes vulnerable to failure with little warning and limited opportunity to recover.
Fading as a Valid Approach
Fading strategies are not inherently wrong. In fact, a lot of profitable and well-developed systems are built on the concept of fading strength or weakness. The concepts explored, such as excursion from the mean, structural failure, or climactic behavior, can all serve as valid references.
The problem arises when a move is assumed to have extended too far and must reverse, without clear reference and in opposition to strong momentum. This, combined with poor risk management, can have notable consequences. Therefore, it is essential to have a proper understanding of market structure and disciplined risk control.
Trend Context and Deviation
For traders who prefer to align with the prevailing trend, an overextension can be evaluated as a potential momentum move. In such cases, one approach is to wait for price to pause or pullback, then enter on continuation. This process can be repeated as long as the trend remains intact. A full reversal should not be considered until there is evidence of structural failure, such as a trend break followed by momentum developing in the opposite direction.
Indicators that show overbought or oversold can be helpful in these events. Their purpose would not be to predict reversion, but to serve as a filter that helps avoid continuation entries when price is extended. This can reduce the risk of entries near potential exhaustion, which is a reasonable practice.
This example shows a case where entries are withheld while price is above the upper envelope, which helps to not chase the move. This illustrates how overbought conditions can serve as a simple filter. Note, towards the end price continued even further, which is to be expected at times. Therefore the purpose is not to predict the reversion but to avoid entries at overextended levels without a pause or pullback.
Overextension
Does the USA sill have something left in the tank?With the recent news of the FED being close to a new rate cut, it's important to start considering the possibility of the market going even higher. However, it's hard for price to keep pushing up when it's already overextended. Not saying this doesn't happen because it does. Price does tend to break the rules of statistics, given the irrationality of people. However now that most stocks are currently in an uptrend, it's hard to believe this performance will continue for much. It's likely that several stocks will begin to start forming downtrends, pushing the percentage of stocks in an uptrend down. When looking at the chats, the cyclicality of growth spurts is quite notorious. However, not every time that a down turn in the index is followed, the vast majority of stocks being in an uptrend.
Although this does tend to happen, as I've circled here in many examples. However, other examples don't show this same pattern and instead see price move even higher. This is because using the percentage of stocks in an uptrend as an indicator is not painting a full picture. Even if many stocks being going into downtrends, the force and extent of which these trends form is what actually drives price action in the index. So we should expect several stocks to begin underperforming in the next couple of days. But if the stocks that have just recently entered an uptrend keep providing strong results, it's still possible for the index to keep on going higher. The direction of the index will depend on the strength of the new form trends and the soon-to-be formed downtrends.
Mexico gives a sign of lifeAfter staying over a month at the lowest levels of the year, almost 10% down for the year, but finally the market has been able to recover. But the fundamental data that has been pushing this move up is quite bizarre. Perhaps we are out of the water and I hope so as some other positions in Mexican stocks will be affected by the performance of this recovery. So far the recent move looks promising as it has clearly broken above the 25MA which will now serve as support as price attempts to climb into a higher deviation. Successfully breaking above the 200MA would place the index out of trouble for the coming time. Let's hope for the best and If the USA rides into euphoria, perhaps Mexico can ride along as well.
Additional to the analysis here, I give a great visual description of what my indicators tell me and how I read them. The same is true for the short term deviation, which helps me see the finer movements of price action.
Are we heading into euphoria or a technical reset?Here we can clearly see that the market structure keeps trending up, in very aggressive manners. Many technical resets have been made, and recently we went through one that lasted almost the entire Biden administration. Even though this reset is great for price action, it seems that it is quickly becoming parabolic. If price continues to behave in this manner, then we could be headed into euphoria. It's crazy to think that the yield curve has been inverted for this long.
Failure to reset technicals could bring us into a period with great short term yield. This could potentially captivate novice traders to become overconfident. Start paying attention to people around you if we keep on trending upward. Is your common foe suddenly talking about stocks and investments? I personally don't feel that way yet. But I can't deny the excitement people feel of finally reaching new time highs.
I'm not saying we are heading into a crash right now. But technicals and fundamentals are beginning to line up for what seems to be extreme optimism with flashing warning signs. I don't feel too confident in this market and would prefer to be buying at lower prices and see price trend up slower. A reset is necessary, or else we will be headed into an unhealthy and very violent uptrend.
Price overextension: misconceptions and common mistakesPrice overextension remains a widely misunderstood concept in trading, causing both novice and seasoned traders to make errors in their decision-making. This misinterpretation often leads to placing trades in the wrong direction or, equally detrimental, overlooking profitable opportunities.
In essence, price overextension signifies that the market has undergone a rapid and excessive movement in one direction. Such movements are often perceived as unsustainable. Numerous indicators, such as Stochastic, RSI, Bollinger Bands and many other, attempt to identify such "abnormal" price movements so traders could capitalize on them. Despite variations in statistical methods and calculations, their common goal is to detect instances where price went or down too much and is likely to reverse.
In this discussion, I will use Relative-Strength-Index (RSI), a popular indicator, to convey my perspective on price overextension. While some traders argue for customization, the elusive question of "how" often remains unanswered. From my experience, there are no universally perfect settings that consistently yield optimal results.
I’ll draw my examples from the recent SPY bar chart (February 2024).
The first misconception
The first misconception is that if price is overextended it is time to immediately start looking for a trade in the opposite direction. The most important phrase here is “start looking”. Many beginners misinterpret this as an invitation to commence trading, leading to the premature initiation of short positions during perceived market "overextension" and vice versa.
So, the first and foremost important advice is to never try guessing top/bottom based on one indicator or gut feeling. Simple as it seems I remember many times breaking this rule myself because the temptation was too strong. It rarely ended up well.
On the graph, I've highlighted three recent instances where the RSI exceeded 70 (indicating overbought conditions). What stands out is that, following each occurrence, the price surged significantly before consolidation set in, inflicting losses upon short traders.
Even experienced traders, who look for confluence of signals, may fall into this trap. In the first two examples, bearish candlestick patterns failed to prevent subsequent price increases. Most likely, those candles were “created” by weak hands traders, who tried to short market, while it was actually controlled by strong buyers.
These instances could have been avoided by considering the daily graph, revealing a robust bullish context – price was in an uptrend, one-time-framing up on weekly. There were couple of moments when bears gained short term control (Tuesdays 13th and 20th) but they never could take the previous week low; bulls always confirmed their control.
The second advice is to avoid trading against higher level context. While sometimes those trades might work the result is usually mediocre and most of the times you’ll simply lose. If you really wish to trade against context you need to construct a solid dossier of evidence, supporting your trade.
The second misconception
What is the second misconception? It is that when price overextended it is not time to go with the market. In this scenario, traders refrain from initiating long trades after RSI indicates overbought conditions, potentially causing them to miss profitable opportunities. It might not hurt your account but who likes missing good opportunities?
Surprisingly, seizing these trades correctly is not much harder than any other trade. It simply requires prudence and discipline and getting rid-off cognitive biases. For example, in the second example on the graph a trader could win up to 1% if he played off gap-up open after seeing that the new price has found acceptance.
Conclusion
It is possible to build a profitable strategy that relies on “price overextension” concept. However, it demands more than a cursory examination of a single indicator and adherence to textbook candle patterns. Personally, I reached a point where I entirely abandoned the use of RSI and similar tools because, instead of providing clarity, they seemed to cloud my thinking.
Opting for a more effective approach involves keenly observing actual market behavior, which often defies conventional expectations. Study of high-level contexts, understanding key levels, and discerning confluence in price action signals on lower timeframes consistently prove invaluable. This method helps steer clear of common pitfalls and contributes to enhancing overall trading results.
BACK HOME for the HOLIDAYSBCHUSD 4H FALLING
Price is falling back to the home base by the ma's because...
Price was stretched far away from ma's.
MACD was stretched far away from 0 level line.
MACD has crossed below Red signal line indicating possible new direction.
Close trade if MACD crosses above Red signal line.
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