Challenges of Fading and OverextensionIntroduction
Fading is a strategy where a position is taken against the prevailing move, based on the expectation that it is overextended and likely to reverse. While mean reversion is a valid market phenomenon, some methods are built on incomplete beliefs about how markets operate.
From Normal to Deviation
Markets can be evaluated relative to their recent or average behavior. Price movement within these bounds is considered normal, while a notable move beyond them is referred to as a deviation. This is interpreted as an overextension, where indicators tend to show overbought or oversold values.
However, overextension does not necessarily imply that exhaustion is present. It simply marks a departure from normal behavior. Whether this leads to reversal or continued movement depends on broader market context.
Markets also tend to exhibit volatility clustering; periods of high volatility are followed by further volatility, and calm periods tend to persist. In other words, a strong move often leads to another. This challenges a common bias that an extended move must suspend or reverse.
The Limitations of Indicators
Indicators can show when price has moved outside a reference point. For example, oscillators, boundaries, or momentum values may signal overbought or oversold conditions. However, these readings are not signals on their own. The broader context matters more and determines whether the move is likely to reverse or continue.
In this chart, price moves outside the upper envelope on two separate occasions, each showing a deviation from recent average behavior. In the first case, the move results in a successful reversion. In the second, price remains extended above the band for several weeks, maintaining persistent momentum. Both instances show similar values, but the outcomes were different. This illustrates that tools should not be interpreted in isolation.
In this chart, RSI reaches overbought levels on two separate occasions. In the first case, the overextension is followed with a mean reversion. In the second, the same condition marks the beginning of a strong upward momentum move. Both events show similar indicator values, but the results were different. This reinforces that identical values can lead to different outcomes depending on the context and underlying structure.
Low Volatile Trends
Low volatility trends present recurring challenges and are worth consideration. These environments are characterized by price moving along structural boundaries with minimal retracement or mean reversion. The absence of counter-movement makes them difficult to fade, as directional drift may persist longer than expected. Attempts to fade these trends or build positions over time can introduce notable risk and limited potential, as reversion remains uncertain. A better approach is to wait for a sharp reversal or the formation of a new structure before considering any setup.
The Risk in Fading Systems
Fading can produce high win rates in range-bound or indecisive markets. Positions tend to be averaged down as price extends further, based on the expectation of a return to the mean. This approach can be effective over a series of trades, but its success depends on eventual reversion.
The risk emerges in less frequent but severe scenarios where momentum persists and price continues to expand beyond expectations. These low-probability but high-impact outcomes tend to be overlooked, but when they occur the consequences can be severe without proper risk control.
This simulation models a high win-rate fading strategy using an initial account size of $100,000. Each trade targets a gain of 0.5% of the account, or $500 based on the starting balance, and the win rate is set at 91.20%. These values are intended to simulate frequent small wins with the assumption that losses will be infrequent.
Losses in this case are set to 5% of the account size, or $5,000, to represent situations where a trader continues to average into a losing position until a maximum loss threshold is reached. In real conditions, some traders may exceed this amount, either deliberately through increased exposure or due to loss of control.
Across 50 simulation runs of 1,000 trades each, the average final balance was $118,109. The best case ended at $240,858, while the worst case dropped to $47,090. The average maximum drawdown was over 43%, and the worst drawdown reached nearly 70%. Half of all simulations finished below the starting balance. These results illustrate that while most trades may perform as expected, rare but oversized losses can and do occur. Despite a strong win rate, the long-term outcome becomes increasingly dependent on avoiding a handful of catastrophic trades.
Strategies like this often appear stable because of their high success rate, which can create a false sense of security. This perceived consistency can lead to increased confidence, relaxed risk limits, or more aggressive sizing. However, the simulation makes clear that even a few failed trades are enough to reverse months of profits or endanger the entire account. Without strict risk control and structural awareness, the strategy becomes vulnerable to failure with little warning and limited opportunity to recover.
Fading as a Valid Approach
Fading strategies are not inherently wrong. In fact, a lot of profitable and well-developed systems are built on the concept of fading strength or weakness. The concepts explored, such as excursion from the mean, structural failure, or climactic behavior, can all serve as valid references.
The problem arises when a move is assumed to have extended too far and must reverse, without clear reference and in opposition to strong momentum. This, combined with poor risk management, can have notable consequences. Therefore, it is essential to have a proper understanding of market structure and disciplined risk control.
Trend Context and Deviation
For traders who prefer to align with the prevailing trend, an overextension can be evaluated as a potential momentum move. In such cases, one approach is to wait for price to pause or pullback, then enter on continuation. This process can be repeated as long as the trend remains intact. A full reversal should not be considered until there is evidence of structural failure, such as a trend break followed by momentum developing in the opposite direction.
Indicators that show overbought or oversold can be helpful in these events. Their purpose would not be to predict reversion, but to serve as a filter that helps avoid continuation entries when price is extended. This can reduce the risk of entries near potential exhaustion, which is a reasonable practice.
This example shows a case where entries are withheld while price is above the upper envelope, which helps to not chase the move. This illustrates how overbought conditions can serve as a simple filter. Note, towards the end price continued even further, which is to be expected at times. Therefore the purpose is not to predict the reversion but to avoid entries at overextended levels without a pause or pullback.
Fade
To fade or not to trade? (Example: EUR/USD)There is a correction taking place in the US dollar uptrend. Do we trade against the prevailing trend, or sit on our hands and do nothing? To fade or not to trade, that is the question.
On a surface level, the current environment is a trading range - following a long downtrend.
When a strong major trend has been in place for around 3 months - sometimes sooner - sometimes later (we have observed 3 months as a good benchmark) something has to change - either there is a significant correction or the trend reverses.
The challenge lies in distinguishing between the two. Reacting too early risks fighting momentum, while reacting too late means missing an opportunity.
After years of trading, I’ve realised the goal is not to guess – but to follow a structured trading system that tilts the odds in our favor. The system doesn’t work every time of course but it gives you a way to approach the market.
Let me outline now - a system using Fractals & the 30-Week Moving Average to help you decide which way to trade the market
1. Identify the Primary Trend
Use the 30-week moving average (30 WMA) as the trend filter.
Uptrend: Price is consistently above the 30 WMA, and the slope is rising.
Downtrend: Price is consistently below the 30 WMA, and the slope is falling.
A strong trend remains in place as long as price respects the 30 WMA. A violation suggests a shift is possible.
2. Look for Fractal Confirmation of a Shift
In an uptrend, a higher low followed by a higher high confirms continuation.
In a downtrend, a lower high followed by a lower low confirms continuation.
* The key fractal to watch for a potential bottom after a downtrend – is the first higher low after a downtrend correction that made a higher high (potential bottom)
* The key fractal to watch for a potential top after an uptrend – is the first lower high after an uptrend correction that made a lower low (potential reversal)
So, how about what’s happening now?
The weekly chart shows a base has formed at 1.02 in EUR/USD.
Price closed last week right at support-turned-resistance around 1.05.
A ‘higher high’ was formed followed by a ‘higher low’ as demonstrated by the green and red fractals accordingly.
However, the price remains below the 30-week moving average.
We can see the setup better on the daily chart as a shallow downtrend line.
The pattern beneath the trendline is a messy inverse head and shoulders. As such, should the trendline break to the upside it is a bullish signal. And if the trendline holds, it signals the trend is still just consolidating before a continuation lower.
We think there’s a good chance this trendline breaks given the alignment of the weekly fractals.
So fade the downtrend or ignore the move upwards?
To answer that it helps to think about the next step. If the price does break higher, how high is it likely to go? There is resistance at 1.06 from the late November and December peaks. Then the 50% Fibonacci retracement and the 30-week moving average come in around 1.07.
The reason fading a trend has a lower probability of success vs trading with the trend is because there is so much nearby resistance (in the case of trading a bottom).
You can absolutely fade this trend but our experience tells us the price often fails at a nearby resistance level, capping the risk:reward potential on long positions- and simultaneously offering a nice opportunity for short positions.
But - as always - that’s just how the team and I are seeing things, what do you think?
Share your ideas with us - OR - send us a request!
Drop us a comment!
cheers!
Jasper
Fading Aussie strength (Apr 10)Fundamentals & Sentiment
AUD:
Australia has beaten its neighbor in terms of robustness of the economy, with Services PMI and Avg Cash Earnings sustaining upward momentum best. Such economic performance also translated into better GDP QoQ growth paving the way for AUD to outperform NZD for the last 2 months and propelling the pair higher. It's also vividly reflected in expected rate differentials.
NZD: The rate decision is supposed to clear the air around further outlook on NZD, giving the room for market internals to play out, while AUD bulls should be attracted to takes some profits, correcting the uptrend.
Technical & Other
Setup: TR(B)
Setup timeframe: 4h
Trigger: 4h
Medium-term: UP
Long-term: Uptrend
Min target: support
Risk: 0.25%
Entry: Limit
Swing fade: is euro overextended?Fundamentals & Sentiment
EUR:
Contrary to the direction of this trade idea, the Eurozone economy has been doing quite well for the last few months. However, is it time for a technical correction? Risk reversals suggest that.
NZD: Kiwi has been supported by good Building Permits from New Zealand and strong readings from Australia at the beginning of the session.
Technical & Other
Setup: TR(B)
Setup timeframe: 4h
Trigger: 4h
Medium-term: UP
Long-term: Up
Min target: DMA(200) + mirror level on D
Risk: 0.26%
BETS- another crypto penny stock resting over the weekend at the 0.5 fib retracement of a 100% 1-2 day move while Bitcoin trends
higher in weekend price action. Can the price action reverse out of the pullback and
retracement with bullish continuation? Relative strength has retreated but held at the 50 level.
Consistent with consolidation, the volume fell off for the close of the trading week. I will take
a long trade in this suspecting it will do well as did HUT and other cryptocurrency penny stocks.
I will set a 5% stop loss and target 25% or the middle of the zone of the topping wicks
on the pivot high of the previous trading day. So, this is a R:r of 5 trade plan. Safe and
conservative especially since I will only use 0.01% of buying power for the trade.
BLong
Will JPY momentum carry forward and set off further selling?Today's focus: JPY AUDJPY GBPJPY
Pattern – Fade Resistance holds
Possible targets – AUDJPY 92.50/92.30 GBPJPY 173.39/172.95
Support – AUDJPY 92.30 GBPJPY 173.15
Resistance – AUDJPY 93.30 GBPJPY 174.20
Today’s update focuses on JPY strength, that we have seen picking up since yesterday’s US session. We have looked at the AUDJPY and GBPJPY in detail. Are we seeing a turn in momentum? Both of these markets showed strength in the short term or sit in uptrends.
After seeing the fades yesterday and today combined with resistance, could this be of sellers gaining control?
Thanks for stopping by. Good trading, and have a great day.
GRND IPO POP then DROPOn the 15-minute time frame, the price action is decidedly bearish
over the past couple of days. Gauss filters downward.
The Ichimoku resistance against a reversal is thick.
Price has dropped more than 15% each day.
The RSI indicator shows dismal strength and no signs of divergense
to herald a reversal. I am in this as a short seup and
have profited well taking a partial each day. Option plays
are not available. Once the bear trend burns out, this will be
worth looking at for a slow uptrend. So once the relative strength
drops to below 25% or some bottoming wicks and Doji candles
appear on the lower time frames, I will look to take the profits
and trade the uptrend. ( this may bounce up from the POC of
the volume profile as a reaction to support. )
PLAY the VOLATILITY !
INTU: Not so 'into' this stockIntuit
Short Term - We look to Sell at 478.00 (stop at 501.49)
This stock reported earning in line with expectations and reported a share buyback which led to a jump in shares premarket. We look to fade this brief rally.480.00 continues to hold back the bulls. Early optimism is likely to lead to gains although extended attempts higher are expected to fail. Further downside is expected although we prefer to sell into rallies close to the 480.00 level.
Our profit targets will be 421.00 and 400.00
Resistance: 480.00 / 580.00 / 660.00
Support: 420.00 / 340.00 / 280.00
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Trading Chaos By Bill Williams | Part 3Hello, everyone!
Last time we considered the candlestick patterns by Bill Williams(BW). Today we are going to expand the novice trader tools for better understanding the market situation.
To define if the market price is going without obstacles BW use the Market Facilitation Index. It demonstrates how the tick volume can be the market driver. The calculation you can see on the pic.
Just calculated MFI for one bar is not useful for the analysis. We should compare it with the meaning of the previous period. Using this comparison, we can divide 4 profitunity windows.
1. GREEN
Current MFI is GREATER than previous one, current volume is GREATER than previous one too.
This is the breakout signal. It means that more and more traders execute trades in the direction of a bar trend. Your best decision here is to follow this impulse.
2. FAKE
Current MFI is GREATER than previous one, current volume is LESS than previous one too.
The price go in the trend direction without the volume support. This is the sign of possible correction. Here is the time when it is too easy to manipulate the market(especially actual on the Bitcoin market!)
3. FADE
Current MFI is LESS than previous one, current volume is LESS than previous one too.
This is the most valuable indicator. Squat bar usually appears on the end of trend. Here the nice opportunity to enter the market at the beginning of the new trend.
4. SQUAT
Current MFI is LESS than previous one, current volume is GEATER than previous one too.
The market has low volume and volatility. This is the time when the interest is decreasing, we can usually see it of the end of Elliott Wave 1, when the lack of buyers who want to buy with the high price. Here you should be ready for the big move.
Next time I will show some signals with the beginner’s level of Trading Chaos trading system.
DISCLAMER: Information is provided only for educational purposes. Do your own study before taking any actions or decisions at the real market.
Gold Retracement PlayLooking for a short term profit on a retracement to the trendline. Today it failed to break and close above the Aug 2013 Highs and there are signs of a retracement starting to play out since it:
1) Failed to break the resistance
2) Reversed from the daily highs forming a shooting start
Looking to hold the trade for a few days. If tomorrow (June 26th) continues going lower I'll trail a stop if not I will close the position immediately at the beginning of the day.
PS: Gold still looks bullish and there is still high momentum. Look for bullish entries after a retracement if you are planning on holding your position for longer time frames like a week. I am actually in a small position in HBD which is a 2x Canadian ETF that has a correlation to GC
CRM with earnings on play for 06/05/2019 trading sessionHello everyone CRM releasing earnings beats expectations but disappointments regarding the guidance could lead to a fade. Price got to 157sh, 100sMA area and 154sh, 20eMA area in after-hours session.
There is a beautiful bullish wedge holding nicely on 13eMA 10min that is waiting to pop. Curious to see how today's after-hours session will close.
For tomorrow trading session if at the opening at least 50k volumes will be already traded and if the pattern will not change I will long:
1) above 157.33 if price will consolidate in pm above the 20eMA and will break the 100sMA at the open. Caution for the very first minutes, moment in which price still didn't really trace a clear trend.
2) In case of price consolidation above 100sMA level only after the first 15 minutes I will trade the breakout of new level of resistance.
3) In both type of scenario for me to enter the trade uprising volumes has to come in breaking the avg volume of the first 3 minutes. Thus RVOL (relative volume) has to be at least above 2.
Also if at the opening at least 50k volumes will be already traded and if the pattern will not change I will short:
1) the eventual pm main low level of support if price will fade below the 20eMA,
2) below 154.66 (20eMA) if price fill fade below 100sMA
3) below 157.33 (100sMA) if price will fail the breakout.
4) In any type of scenario for me to enter the trade uprising red volumes has to come in breaking the avg volume of the first 3 minutes. Thus RVOL (relative volume) has to be at least above 2.
Have a good trading session!
CANN short tomorrowPerfect n°6 pattern. This stock is up beacause the marijuana sector is getting hotter again since its going to be legalized in canada and maybe even in usa but this will affect the stock price in future: as for now the psychology and the patterns beat the news/rumor (maybe we'll have a V price ation similar to that we had at the end of december and at beginning of january). Anyways if it breaks $4 i think it can drop to $3.65ish or best case scenario $3.25ish.
CAD/CHF Testing a strong support level- Time to get shortGood evening,
After a tremendous run, the CAD/CHF currency pair is showing some notable technical reversal signs. With both the MACD and RSI turning over compounded with the fact that the euro trade is getting incredibly crowded, this is looking like a great time to get short.
Thoughts?






















