BITSTAMP:BTCUSD   Bitcoin / Dollar
market seems to like expanding everything lately. wave 5 of the diagonal is almost over. final c wave up is in progress. target could be 336.42 which is 1.618 of wave a
https://vip.btcchina.com/page/news/?id=154en
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Is wave 4 about to be invalidated?
If so this would be a buy signal no?
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user100000 johnrfraser
invalidation is at 339.80... yes buy signal
i don't think that will happen
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user100000 user100000
c wave seems to be diagonal
1,2,3.. so far

market is really buying time. wxyxz correction... expanding diagonal... expanding triangle... another diagonal... wave 4 never seems to end
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johnrfraser user100000
really close now...what happens then...truncated wave 5?
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user100000 johnrfraser
yes and my wave count is wrong
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I think you should start analyzing 15 minute waves based on Huobi (or BTCChina as proxy for Huobi and OKCoin). The volume and liquidity on Bitstamp is way too low to make any sense out of this chaos.

Best example is the last fast drop down to $319.9 yesterday on Bitstamp WHICH WAS IGNORED by all other exchanges. No other exchange dropped as fast and as much as Bitstamp did. Therefore Bitstamp is clearly not leading anymore and it makes no sense to forecast 15 minute trends based on an exchange which is not leading. It's a waste of time if you ask me unless you start analzying the Chinese exchanges.

I would especially recommend to analyze an price average of the three leading Chinese exchanges which get by typing this into Tradingview as symbol:

(BTCCHINA:BTCCNY+OKCOIN:BTCCNY+HUOBI:BTCCNY)/3
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user100000 ChartArt
i want to analyse exchange which is only cash. no margin trading or futures. that is best. the other exchanges may have slightly different count, i have no idea, but that's ok. so far, everything makes sense on bitstamp and behaviour can be explained by ewp. thanks for your suggestion
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ChartArt user100000
That's why I didn't recommend Bitfinex, because they have much more fakeouts than Bitstamp because of their margin trading. And that is also the reason why I recommended BTCChina, because BTCChina is the oldest Chinese exchange and you get even more historic data back in time for BTCChina on Tradingview than for BTC-E or Bitstamp.

Also BTCChina didn't have margin trading for a long-time so other exchanges are more popular and hence the data on BTC China is more reliable. I even think that Chinese traders look more at BTCChina for the long-term trend as we do look at Bitstamp. Because before the last rally in early November both Huobi and OKCoin had already a new pivot low and started a rally from there, while BTCChina had not. And only when BTCChina had the new pivot low 2 days later the entire rally really started. Therefore I think BTCChina is leading long-term overall even more than Huobi/OKCoin.

So if you would analyze BTCChina you would get two benefits over Bitstamp: Traders look for new trends at China not Bitstamp. Oldest but still competitive exchange there is BTCChina. Most manipulation is going on at Huobi and OKCoin. BTCChina is lagging but confirming the overall price trends at Huobi and OKCoin. Therefore with BTCChina you would get more reliable BTC trends faster than Bitstamp. At least I switched to looking at BTCChina prices and 90% of the time I got much more reliable trends than looking at Bitstamp.
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user100000 ChartArt
thanks, that was very interesting. im quite convinced btcchina is a good exchange to analyse. the volume looks good compared to others. i'll have to study it first to familiarize myself with the chart and see the differences compared to bitstamp. thanks for the executive summary
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