look. those books were recommended to me about a year and a half ago. read them and learn. you can self teach yourself to be a profitable trader. follow a guy on youtube by the name of Mitch Ray...he live streams every day on youtube and basically will teach you about patterns and techniques for free. he's the one that recommended the books and i learned from watching him teach for free . don't listen to people that say you can't do this or you'll lose money. just learn and apply. takes time and trial and error. i've lost money....i learned from those mistakes. it's gonna happen...just minimize losses and teach yourself discipline. good luck !!!